I wish you well in your new school and church. If I wanted to tithe I wouldnt know where to go, because tithes were paid to a levitical priest. It is the Word of God, the Bible, that makes up what is a real and true church! Modern church history is irrelevant, not only to our topic but to us in general. This would explain the abrasiveness with which you deliver what should be the most joyous information of the Gospel of Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior. (Hebrews 4:15-16 and 10:19-22) Despite his views he was made the pastor of the church in Salem. Visited Calvarly Chapel her in Rosedale areahas tith online but what they view is unclear. On May 28, 1665, a Baptist church was founded in Boston, by Thomas Gould, who refused to accept infant baptism. Visit Pinterests profile on Pinterest. either. Im all about modest clothing, but I cant tell you how many sermons I have sat through where the man of God railed against women wearing slacks. The heading of the website is true. 1) strict adherence to one version of the bible I am a musician, so really wouldnt be very content in a church where I couldnt play an instrument and never did go there, except to attend her funeral. IFCA International was founded in 1930 as the Independent Fundamental Churches of America in response to the growing apostasy within the major denominations. In 1539 thirty one more who had fled to Holland were apprehended and martyred there. It is not the name or the organization that makes a Biblical church, but its practice of the faith as revealed in the New Testament. Any way dont want to lie on any church. Williams graduated from Cambridge University in 1627, and was apparently ordained in the Church of England. Offers of religious liberty drew many Baptists to settle in New Jersey. It did not produce a succession of other churches, but those who founded it went on to set up other Baptist churches in England. He brings up the subject of God and church all the time. Independent fundamental Baptist churches include those loosely affiliated in fellowshipsmore common in the Northas well as those whose pastors may share particular networksmore common in. Some Baptist historians, have made attempts at doing this, but in many cases refer to groups as early Baptists who did not in fact hold to pure Baptist beliefs as held today. New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. Listening To The Critics A Response To James Ach, 56. In Europe, Protestant churches are state churches and supported to some degree by government imposed taxes. This is Bible 101 stuff. I admitted, in my comment, that I was somewhat caustic in my writing (I could definitely get better in that department) but I re-read what I wrote and didnt think it was horrible. But still, I think if I wanted to lead Worship wearing Just a speedo I probably would not be allowed to do this in most Churches. These things I write unto you that ye may know that ye have salvation. These are the mistakes one finds when following man-made theology. Giving ten percent to God is a good thing, I agree with that. I think any Christian should be allowed to wear what they want. For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. They practice the Biblical teachings of separation as stated in Ephesians 5:11, which says, Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Independent churches have no organized organization over them in authority. I humbly asked a question. Being to poor to pay the fines he was banished from the colony. I have done my share of research on what defines a cult and unless Im missing something, we dont qualify as a such. Desire your best & healing in Lord Jesus if not. Our Beliefs JESUS CHRIST Jesus Christ is at the center of everything. I hope you can forgive me for perpetuating those stumbling blocks. The charge recorded against him was that he broached and divulged new and dangerous opinions against the authority of the magistrates. You will find, to the left, a tags cloud as well as a category drop down menu. Jesus was prophesied in the old testament. Sorry to tell you, but youve been deceived. I really have an issue with this point. I grew up in a Catholic church and boarding school, then was taken out and placed into Lutheran surroundings. Further, suppose that a Bible somehow was to fall from the plane and the inhabitants of this isolated land were to be able to pick up that Bible and read the text for themselves. Most Baptist churches were in the past founded on the sound doctrinal teachings of the New Testament, however, many of them have in varying degrees drifted away from many of the teachings of the Scriptures. 2. It is often said that the Protestant Reformation had both a formal cause and a material cause. 8. Thank you for your help! The Gospel is to be preached throughout the world by believers empowered by the Holy Spirit as Acts 1:8 plainly states. Our editors will review what youve submitted and determine whether to revise the article. Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they Filter Churches. Independent, Fundamental, King James, Mission Minded Our Service Times Are: Sunday Morning Worship -. In North Carolina the first Baptist church was started in the northeastern coastal region at Perquimans, in Chowan County in 1727. when the apostle Peter was fishing he stripped and was naked while he was fishing (John 21:7). Christians under the grace economy give out thankfulness to God for what Christ has done for them, without any compulsion. I think Lynne has been fed a large dose of legalism, and just cant seem to escape it. There's only one way to heaven, and that . 5. You dont study enough. I am a former fundamental baptist member, I would like to request any assistance on clarification regarding the contradictions of doctrine of Paul and Jesus. Thus, history and the doctrines of Protestantism clearly show that Baptists are not Protestants. None of us that I know of follow his every word like it was the Gospel truth. Throughout all your conjecture you based none of you opinions on scripture. But I also would agree that just about every other Church denomination has strict dress standards as well. 8) forbid lifting of hands during the service, some of the IFB churches are more lenient on this matter that others. Hah Im really the only reply to this incredible read?! Some more deception I would like to expose are these IFB web sites. As for relating to other denominations and Catholocs, I believe that that is also harmful if one is not strong enough in their faith. Would someone be frowned upon if they used another translation of the bible in your church besides the KJV translation? Shortly after that, because of his doctrinal preaching, he was forced to leave Salem and went for a short time to Plymouth. I have transferred schools and since then Ive had to find a new church. So how all USA (& most Developed Nations tithe, etc) is no different than at my IFB Church fellowship I attend. Here ar ethe key words: ought to have done without leaving the others undone, which would mean that tithing is good. Its beginning charter reads as follows: We whose names are hereunder written, being desirous to inhabit ourselves in active and passive obedience to all such orders or agencies as shall be made for the public good of the body in an orderly way, by the major consent of the present inhabitants, masters of families, incorporated together into the same, only in civil things.. It seems like in the church I personally attended, that the powertrip I saw actually stemmed from a total lack of outside maturity from the church in general. Wives Submit Deception Revisited Exploration of Ephesians 5:21, 74. What Is An Independent Fundamental Baptist? KJV Independent, Fundamental Baptist Churches in the USA . As far as I recall no church ever told me must. Lack of pastoral accountability is not the problem. I certainly need Gods help to do the things He has asked me to do. Unfortunately I am relatively new to this denomination; I do not know how much authority they have over my individual church. Its is true that many Baptists left the ranks of Protestant churches which were doctrinal unsound and apostate. God has not entrusted that authority to impart salvation to any man or church. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings and Traditions of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. We are friendly Fundamental Independent Baptists, k ind-of like the church your grandparents might have once attended. Tithing is not for God. The first Baptist church on American soil was a direct result of the Puritan persecution of true New Testament believers. How many people are in churches were the pastor is unaccountable? KJB. I went on to share with her that in that same passage it says, singing psalms, hymns (which by the way modern churches are throwing out) and spiritual songs. The Official Independent Baptist Rulebook, Known in Some Churches as Church Standards Thou shalt obey the pastor at all times Thou shalt obey all adults at all times if you are a child or teenager Thou shalt obey your husband at all times if you are a woman Thou shalt obey your parents at all times teaching that all sex is dirty, etc..), I see no sense in throwing the baby out with the bath water. Even if a church blows the interpretation of verses like this and sets up what you refer to as a hierarchy, I feel you are in error to claim that God has no party with them, see for reference the 7 churches in Revelation which had great things going for them, but Christ had to deal with their errors. I do hope that your eyes will be opened up soon because keeping the law will not grant you entrance into heaven. His crime was that rejected the unbiblical ideas of a state church, infant baptism and other false teachings of the Puritans. It was not founded because a line of Baptist churches down through history. As for being responsible to share the gospel with those whom God has put in our path; our daily life should show we are different by our character and the way we live. These churches remained sound in doctrine and practicing the faith of the New Testament. I was able to better understand the New Testament. Is this really what youre doing here? Actually what should have been first was the erroneous teaching that water baptism has anything at all to do with ones salvation, it does not! The name Fundamental Independent Baptist is of recent origin and came into being because many modern day Baptist churches compromising the Word of God and teaching and practicing false doctrines. Yes, I knew the life he led, and there was nothing externally that suggested he was anything but a vile sinner who was never saved. I think I already addressed that point. I have never dressed up for a Church Service and I think people should come how they want. It seemed that if some people (which were severalactually almost all with very few exceptions) were given any place of position within the church, they responded with a sole purpose for having the pastor pleased with them, and definitely staying in his face about ideas which truly seemed more personal preference than such ideas of benefit. -What about the Jerusalem Council in Acts (I believe I am using the right title here, but I have not check my accuracy)? What's Wrong with the Independent Fundamental Baptists? Henry Jacob. I have never believed in obedience to a pastor just obedience to Gods Word God, I believe deliberately used isolated groups in many different places during time to preserve His church and did not choose to use a line or chain of churches to past His Word and authority on to the next generation. I watched a man die last week. The acapella voices were very beautiful, and I knew she would have enjoyed hearing them. 4.) One Baptist church, however, did begin after 1714, in Surry Country, and another at Burleigh, Virginia. Yes we only use KJV (I perosnally like it better myself because I like the Shakespeareanesque vernacular versus modern but thats a personal choice). The word Independent means that the church is not a member of any council, convention or is a part of any hierarchy outside the local congregation. Although, this was the first Baptist church to be founded on American soil there is no recorded offspring from this church and modern American Baptist churches can not trace their history directly to it. All youve done is pull some verses out of context and manipulated them to fit your point of view. The list is endless. You will find, to the left, a tags cloud as well as a category drop down menu. Like friends of my son who were in Mexico recently. John was beheaded by Herod (Matt. Im a Southern Baptist and celebrate Jesus and His grace! So many churches have lost wonderful ministry opportunties by turning away those hurting, divorced folks, its a shame, God help us all to be sensitive to those who are hurting all around us. For you tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice and the love of God. preaching from the Old King James Bible that you "must be born again" and "Jesus and the Bible come first". PEOPLE are the problem! My best friend who professes to be Christian (she attends a Southern Baptist church), is dating an evolutionist and she tells me that religion is not high up on her criteria for dating and marriage yet she will call me, upset, and say that her boyfriend is hasseling her about her faith. It was not the man who founded the church that was important, but the New Testament principles on which he founded this church. She and another church lady had this discussion and the other lady said that to her it is a bigger sin to stay in an abusive, unloving marriage such as the one my mother was in, and I agree whole heartedly. @greg Others have to a lesser degree compromised the Word of God by their teaching, practices and church polity trying to confront to popular religious tends. Everyone wanted attention from the pastor and never left the man alone to truly study Gods Word. The word Fundamental means that the Baptist church uses the New Testament strictly as its authority for faith (doctrine) and practice. That is just my pointyou I fear are dedicating a almost hate site for this denomination when its no reason tovs just warning sagnist all bad behavior. Each year members profess 16 articles of faith that include the original five points of fundamentalismthe literal truth of divinely inspired scripture, the Virgin Birth and deity of Christ, substitutionary atonement through Christ, the Resurrection, and the Second Coming of Christ. The more and more that I looked into it and studied the scripture, I realized not only were they wrong they were *completely* wrong about tithing, in fact, they didnt have a clue, and this was the standard teaching throughout the IFB. It shows Gods promises to us and more importantly it shows us Gods fulfilled promises to the church. 5.) There is every value in appealing only to present adherence to the New Testament as ones sole authority for faith and practice. He was a presbyter and former deacon in the Anglican church. The person, John the Baptist. I do however disagree with anyone mandating that a tenth should go to them & to the church as they see fit only (like giving some to other Christiann Ministries, some to local churche , etc) or that even mandates a tithe. In 1700, a Baptist minister, William Rhodes began to hold meetings on Long Island and in 1724 organized the first Baptist church there. Jesus didnt find it necessary to dress differently than anyone else, why should the MOG? It is difficult to trace Baptist churches down through history. Lynne- Thanks for clearing that up. There are hundreds of archaic words that I have no idea what they mean and then you have words that have actually changed meaning since the KJV was published like conversation, to me that means to talk with someone, not in the KJV, it means behavior, prevent is another one, to me it means to stop someone from doing something, not in the KJV, it means to precede. -Ray, My church preaches those five points and we are an IFB church. Founded in June of 1980, International Baptist Missions is a ministry of Tri-City Baptist Church. When I told my Church of Christ neighbor that the Scripture tells us to worship God with musical instruments, she said Thats Old Testament, but in the New Testament it says to sing, making melody in your heart to the Lord. And she said that means that your vocal chords are the instrument. I read what you wrote, thats why I replied with what I wrote. As long as they go to a God fearing church that believes in Jesus Christ and they themselves are not rebelling against God then it would not hurt my feelings if they went to Southern Baptist or Methodist churches. p.s. A logical fallacy stands alone whether in or out of context. John 10:10, A preacher told me once we were not to judge, but that we were to be fruit inspectors. Greg, Thanks for your response. But it is for these very reasons that I and millions of other Americans cant understand it. I request any comment left to me is free of insults and vulgarities, please). It was founded by Roger Williams, according to the teachings and example of the New Testament. 53, Cornhill, 1813, Fundamental Baptist CD ROM Library, 1701 Harns Rd. All others miss-use the name. Historically, Baptists were never a part of the Roman Catholic Church or the Protestant Reformation and therefore can not be correctly called protestors or Protestants. Martin Luther until his death held to this false sentiment and disputed with the Swiss reformer Ulrich Zwingli (1484-1531), over the matter. 6.) Knolleys joined other dissenters left England. Anyone who differed with the practices of the State church were subject to great persecution. Today there are at least a hundred different groups which all themselves Baptist. Many of these churches have conflicting beliefs and practices. For example, Paul wrote letters to the churches, each being intended for one church, and then other churches used them and later they were accepted as fully inspired parts of Scripture. Bottom line, tithing was commanded for Jews under Law. However, John the Baptist was an Old Testament saint and the last Old Testament prophet (Matt. The only time I ever dressed up was for Job interviews. Churches in USA; Churches in Canada; Churches in Australia; Churches in the UK; Churches Worldwide . As a matter of fact, you cannot be a member of a Calvary Chapel. That coupled with your seeming lack of spiritual maturity will make for an interesting combination. Im surprised but shouldnt be by now that folks know so very little about their respective churches/traditions, most just sit in the pew and simply repeat what their pastor has told them, never checking and studying for themselves, what thus saith the Lord You act so surprised that I questioned you about which Church of Christ you were referring to, do yourself alittle favor and have a look at wikipedias lists of Churches of Christ First and foremost I wanted to make sure you werent referring to the The Church of Christ of Latter Day Saints which is a flat-out cult. It was founded because some saved men believed the Bible and wanted to follow the New Testament example of what a true church should be. Thus, resolving to follow the Lords commands in truth, in March, 1639 he formed the first Baptist church on American soil. Nor can I know the heart of those I preach to. We can clearly see the Spirit of God in your gracious post. In 1995 the group reported 69,857 members and 670 congregations. KJB,UNAFFILIATED. The over the years the growth of so many false and idolatrous practices caused some within the Catholic church such as Martin Luther to rebel, and to try to reform the Catholic church. Please see the Tithing Deception and Tithe 10% or Get Punished articles for more information. If you dont already, try it some time. (1 Tim. 3. 2 Timothy 2:24, And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient.